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What's happening to society today?

In recent months the UK has seen a surge in Knife crime.

All over the world we have bombings on a daily basis.

And the rather sicking news from Christchurch in New Zealand.

When will this all end? will it ever end?
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Dunno mate but I find it helps to make and drink beer
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What's happening to society today?

In recent months the UK has seen a surge in Knife crime.

All over the world we have bombings on a daily basis.

And the rather sicking news from Christchurch in New Zealand.

When will this all end? will it ever end?


I think most of the stuff that is happening has always been that way.
What has changed big time is instant and continuous contact with all sorts of occurences.
'The Media' presents us with a selection of information but can never cover all that happens in the world.

'The news' old style was disseminated in a form that meant it reached an audience well after the heat of the event had died down. Getting material into print and the time it took to circulate the paper copies slowed information sharing right down. In addition sending reporters and photographers to the scene also delayed the process. As things stand now the mobile device makes data instantly available, complete with instant updates. However this is only a selection of all the vast amount that is happening.

The point, though, is that it is only possible for a human being to be selective on what input they address, it is physically impossible to view everything that is happening.
Looking at crime for example, it is possible to pick out crimes occurring around the world on a continual basis. Knives are always being wielded and injuries caused. Look at enough of it and you become sure that some thing has suddenly conjured it up. Instead look elsewhere and you will see fraud and corruption are the bete noire, maybe be upset about rape instead? Look for it and you will find it happening all around.

Could be some guy, with a sack of malt, contemplating his next brew. They are everywhere - if you choose to see. Don't let anyone pursuade you otherwise. [see GHW above]

I think it is important to 'edit' how and what we expose ourselves to...


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I think most of the stuff that is happening has always been that way.
What has changed big time is instant and continuous contact with all sorts of occurences.
'The Media' presents us with a selection of information but can never cover all that happens in the world.

'The news' old style was disseminated in a form that meant it reached an audience well after the heat of the event had died down. Getting material into print and the time it took to circulate the paper copies slowed information sharing right down. In addition sending reporters and photographers to the scene also delayed the process. As things stand now the mobile device makes data instantly available, complete with instant updates. However this is only a selection of all the vast amount that is happening.

The point, though, is that it is only possible for a human being to be selective on what input they address, it is physically impossible to view everything that is happening.
Looking at crime for example, it is possible to pick out crimes occurring around the world on a continual basis. Knives are always being wielded and injuries caused. Look at enough of it and you become sure that some thing has suddenly conjured it up. Instead look elsewhere and you will see fraud and corruption are the bete noire, maybe be upset about rape instead? Look for it and you will find it happening all around.

Could be some guy, with a sack of malt, contemplating his next brew. They are everywhere - if you choose to see. Don't let anyone pursuade you otherwise. [see GHW above]

I think it is important to 'edit' how and what we expose ourselves to...



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Nice input JB ... science backs that up, the human brain is programmed to see the unusual, we are programmed to see the tiger lurking behind the bushes.

I am a a little more cynical however.  TM recently said that reduced police funding had no influence on crime rates ... not so sure myself, I reckon that's her just trying to put political spin on a topic to avoid admitting failure, not that she is known for that of course.

Another idea comes to mind, most people live in cities or heavily populated areas these days.  Squash rats in a cage and they end up engaging in genocidal war. Fighting for territory is one of the underlying "laws" of the animal world.  I don't think we are so different.  Highly concentrated populations can't help the situation.



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That would make a great film for tv, a series even. Initially making no reference to when the events were taking place.

In the sixties, all was 'Peace and Love' and understanding, but it was also the era of the Krays, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, the Vietnam War and Stanley Kubrick's Clockwork Orange. 

You get what you look for? or what you run away from?
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Trite but true.

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Nice input JB ... science backs that up, the human brain is programmed to see the unusual, we are programmed to see the tiger lurking behind the bushes.

I am a a little more cynical however.  TM recently said that reduced police funding had no influence on crime rates ... not so sure myself, I reckon that's her just trying to put political spin on a topic to avoid admitting failure, not that she is known for that of course.

Another idea comes to mind, most people live in cities or heavily populated areas these days.  Squash rats in a cage and they end up engaging in genocidal war. Fighting for territory is one of the underlying "laws" of the animal world.  I don't think we are so different.  Highly concentrated populations can't help the situation.


To some extent I think we construct our own cages, but I agree that population concentration and resource availability does affect all life, up to and including humanity.
I grew up in a semi-rural environment, then left home to live in London for some years. The two environments were very different and the contrast was mainly a result of the numbers living in a given area.

It is easy enough, from a political standpoint, to justify, or is that excuse, 'expenses', 'necessary budgetary spending' and 'general austerity' by high-lighting particular 'problem areas' and concentrating on those concerns only in the media. Most statistics can be juggled, turned on their head and even hidden, to prove a particular argument or policy.
...but here we start to walk down the paths of the conspiracy theorist and the paranoid.

Over successive years our leaders, the elect, have been projecting a very negative view of things. There are no optimistic plans or grand challenges. Apparently we are beset by threats, dangers, subversive opposition and so on, to be honest it rather sounds like the ravings of a paranoiac who is promising to save us by pulling us out of a dire situation. In doing so, given enough trust, I feel our paranoiac is pulling us, unwitting, to the brink.

The trouble with politicians is that they have ways of dealing with highly concentrated populations.

We will see, we will see...


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Over successive years our leaders, the elect, have been projecting a very negative view of things. There are no optimistic plans or grand challenges. Apparently we are beset by threats, dangers, subversive opposition and so on, to be honest it rather sounds like the ravings of a paranoiac who is promising to save us by pulling us out of a dire situation. In doing so, given enough trust, I feel our paranoiac is pulling us, unwitting, to the brink.


The trouble with politicians is that they have ways of dealing with highly concentrated populations.

We will see, we will see...



threats dangers etc ... that was the Chirac mantra, taken up by Sarko, played on to some extent by the Holland government and still part of the news with all that is happening over here.  The security threat ... works very well.

Project fear as the Brexiteers put it ....

Trump wants his wall, he is banging the same gong.

I'm going to get back to cooking my curry and thinking about more homely things !




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I'm going to get back to cooking my curry and thinking about more homely things !




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I think it is important to 'edit' how and what we expose ourselves to...



 Id say get a beer and dont expose your self.

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