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Clibit

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I reckon the yeast in the Tiny Rebel saison I drank last night must be a 'Wallonian Farmhouse' yeast, maybe WLP565. Tiny Rebel say about the beer, "A classic Wallonian saison develops earthy, peppery notes in fermentation." White Labs says about 565, "producing flavors and aromas noted as earthy, peppery and spicy."

I capped the bottle with the dregs in it and, whatever it is, I'm going to have a go at culturing it, cos I really liked what it did in the beer. It was a very light and easy drinking beer for 6.2%, and went down really well. Very fresh and flavourful. 

If this yeast is 565: "A classic saison strain sourced from the Wallonia region of Belgium. This strain makes a classic saison by producing flavors and aromas noted as earthy, peppery and spicy. With attenuation averaging around 70 to 75%, some malt flavor will remain present. For best fermentation results, let this strain free-rise to allow for complete attenuation and production of the subtle, traditional aroma characteristics. With high gravity saisons, it’s suggested to dry the beer with an alternate yeast (such as WLP001 California Ale Yeast®) added after 50 to 60% fermentation."

Attenuation: 65.00-75.00  Flocculation: Medium  Alcohol Tolerance: Medium (5 - 10%)  Optimum Fermentation Temperature: 68.00-75.00

Saison on the left, Wobley's Cullercoats yeast on the right, really looking forward to brewing with these.

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 If you plan multiple generations of this yeast keep an eye on it incase its a multiple yeast blend.

 But good luck with it 

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 If you plan multiple generations of this yeast keep an eye on it incase its a multiple yeast blend.

 But good luck with it 

 Pesh


Yes good thinking. I have a feeling Whitelabs would say so on their website though? Most of their strains are single ones, and they tell you when they aren't, I think.
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I'm surprised I have just checked it out and the do have White Labs 565 available here along with other Belgian yeasts.
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I had a look at the ratebeer reviews of the Tiny Rebel saison today. I don't often see beer reviews that bear no resemblance to my own experience, but these did. People seem to think this has a strong yeast flavour. Intense. The flavour was there, but intense? Not at all, not the bottle I had.
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WLP565 is meant to be the Saison Dupont strain. Very classic but it is notorious for sticking at 1.030 before finally unsticking weeks later and finishing up. People often get impatient and add a second yeast to finish the job.

There is some pretty solid evidence that fermenting without an airlock helps to avoid the stall. Some people suggest it is super sensitive to pressure and others that it is CO2 toxicity. Either way keeping it warm after the first couple of days of fermentation will help.
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WLP565 is meant to be the Saison Dupont strain. Very classic but it is notorious for sticking at 1.030 before finally unsticking weeks later and finishing up. People often get impatient and add a second yeast to finish the job.

There is some pretty solid evidence that fermenting without an airlock helps to avoid the stall. Some people suggest it is super sensitive to pressure and others that it is CO2 toxicity. Either way keeping it warm after the first couple of days of fermentation will help.


Cheers Simon. I'd forgotten that it is the Du Pont strain. The Tiny Rebel beer was pretty different from Saison Du Pont. Interesting. 
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Cheers Simon. I'd forgotten that it is the Du Pont strain. The Tiny Rebel beer was pretty different from Saison Du Pont. Interesting. 
I believe Du Pont is a mixed culture, with possibly two Sacc strains and a Brett. WLP565 is just one of the Sacc strains.
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I believe Du Pont is a mixed culture, with possibly two Sacc strains and a Brett. WLP565 is just one of the Sacc strains.


That figures!  Cheers.
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 If your getting different bottles of the same beer some may be older with some thing like a saison it may suffer / improve with age more than other styles.

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These two yeasts have been getting into action today. They're frothy, man!  [thumb]
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These two yeasts have been getting into action today. They're frothy, man!  [thumb]


Think I might brew a small batch of a simple, lightly hopped pale at the weekend and split it into two demijohns with these two yeasts. Build up the yeast and find out what they do with a fairly blank canvas.
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Think I might brew a small batch of a simple, lightly hopped pale at the weekend and split it into two demijohns with these two yeasts. Build up the yeast and find out what they do with a fairly blank canvas.

Sounds like a good plan.
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I have a phial of this from my yeast gamble earlier this week 😉 watching your results with interest......
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I have a phial of this from my yeast gamble earlier this week 😉 watching your results with interest......


Well the beer i nicked this from was good so hopefully...
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